...I just read what I wrote, I can't believe that I just gave that advice. I think I'm just too tired and Danny is right, after that post it's time for me to sign off!!!!

paul

...this is my sign-off, been great talking to ya'll.

until next time.

paul

...dating chicks is fun. You can't say "Taste like sh!t until you tasted Sh!t"! You can't say you don't like relations with women if you've never had your time in the ole oval office.

It's not like your married to the girl. People need to take the time to find out more about themselves and you can't do this until you've lived some life. When you do find out all about yourself, something new smacks you in the face.

Hear's to you and the next smack in the face!

paul

Hey guys...it's Danny now. Paul has retired his mouse and keyboard. I'm about to do the same though. A warm weekend here in Seattle means lots of play in the day and an early crash at night.
Gabe, that's funny you checked out Filipino connection up here on Beacon Hill. We've never been to anything in our neighborhood except for the Beacon Pub.
D

...what is the issue?

paul

...I give the subject as much weight as it deserves. We have much more important things to talk about, like my problems with her not giving me an allowance and at what age a mother should stop taking care of her son financially, etc (haha).

I don't think I was ever comfortable talking about my love/sex life with my parents (gay or straight).

paul

p.s. i didn't even get the sex talk from my parents...i was cheated!!!!!

Comment:

...lets see if i can respond to you all because each is deserves an answer...

john, people will always tell you that it's not important what OTHER people think, it's what you think about yourself. Partly true. I think people cause stressful situations because their timing is way off. Advocates want everything shoved in your face and say that it's your right to be accepted. Too bad your 10 minutes early and it's not even the right funeral.

It's all about what you can get away with at any given moment. For a lot of people out there "ignorance is BLISS". Are you going to feel better because they know more about you at this moment in time? Hell your still discovering a sh!tload about yourself and your expected to give the 411 to everyone else. Bad timing, no one wants a crap*y answer to their well thought out question.

BPR, My parents took it very badly, but I was ready to tell them because I knew they were ready to know. Danny was in the parking lot waiting on me. To give it to you directly, my mom collapsed, dropping a perfectly good ice cream cone. Talk about waste...at the time I don't think I really cared what they thought, I just thought it was funny that she collapsed (kidding).

Kyle, The media is doing an "ok" job in bringing homosexuality into the livingroom of the "average joe", too bad for most it was already there to begin with...(another sh!teating grin on my face).

paul

another note on homosexuality and the media...

not doing such a great job for the other facets of our society (I would name a few, but I think you already know...)

...I hear ya. I can remember those times not too long ago. As a matter a fact "like it were yesterday".

I don't think anyone is immune. Whatever your sexuality, people in general have those same feelings, especially when your just about to start a new chapter in your life.

Right now it's all about you and what you want to do. You just finished college (upper three percent). Be selfish, "you deserve a break today (@ McDonalds)"! If it weren't for the military, I would've done what I #### well pleased. Lucky for me, they dragged me all over the world, something I wanted to do in the first place.

What do you want to do from this day forward?

paul

No need for names, hell I can't do without the blur and I would consider myself pretty comfortable with my sexuality.

Everything in time and to my knowlege nobody has come up with the perfect timeline of gay milestones...

...does the dog come before buying the house and after telling your parents or after the joint saving account and before adoption?????

paul
 

very nice
Posted by Danny on 3/30/2003 at 19:30:33
IP: 12.242.162.217
 

Comment:

Paul & Danny's War Talk response. Some Thoughts. >>>
Posted by lowbudget on 3/30/2003 at 19:21:18
IP: 66.139.9.80
 

Just a couple of points:

1) Bush and Public Speaking as a reflection of his intellect-- Yeah. He sucks. He sucks because he's not very intelligent. Bush's strength isn't in his intellect. His strength (I think) is in his ability to negotiate, find the right people to delegate the work, and make a decision and stick with it. I guess that's what you get when you get an MBA president. The MBA degree isn't about smart. It's about getting a job done. But Danny, Bush isn't even book smart. He was a C student at Yale. And he didn't get into Yale because he was smart. His father went to Yale. How's THAT for affirmative action... It's too bad for Bush because he's following one of the smartest politicians, Clinton, who not only was a lawyer but a Rhodes scholar. I heard him on Larry King Live break down the Republican proposed tax cut that's supposed to happen on top of a war budget, and it was clear that Clinton was paying attention during economics class. He explained things in a simple manner that everyone can understand... and it was fundamentally correct. Unfortunately for Clinton, he was too smart for his own good. He thought he could outsmart the American public with all his shady behavior, but it was obvious when Al Gore wasn't elected that Clinton's legacy wasn't meant to be. But beyond his personal crap, Clinton took forever to make a decision. After USS Cole, the embassy bombings, and the World Trade Center, he didn't take action to weed out Al Qaeda like Bush did. Instead, he fired a couple of missiles and that was just about it. But for all that he did an awesome job building an international community that supported the US. Which leads me to...

2) Bush and Foreign Policy-- Moron. Bush was once quoted to say what's the use of political capital when it can't be spent. Well, when he came into office, he used justed about all of it because he could. When Carter was accepting his Nobel Prize, he said that Clinton and Carter had made excellect headway in getting North Korea to disarm, but the Clinton never delivered the nuclear reactors that the US promised. The US-provided nuclear reactors would have been safer and would make it harder to use the same technology for building nuclear warheads. When Bush came to office, for some reason, he changed the White House policy of inclusion to isolation.

So you take that PLUS his refusing to sign the Kyoto Treaty (the international environment treaty), PLUS his reversal of the Non-Proferation Treaty (when he went to Russia to negotiate breaking the treaty so that they can build missile defense shields), you basically get the entire world P*ISSED off at the US... and that was all BEFORE 9/11. Now when Bush is trying to drop the big one on Iraq AGAINST UN approval, it's very dangerous for US's world position in the eyes of other countries post war. It's questionable whether or not the US is breaking international law. We'll see how the UN interprets the resolutions passed after the Gulf War to see what people think of the US.

3) Taking Care of Business... 12 years ago. John Majors was on Larry King Live a couple of weeks ago (Prime Minister UK during Gulf War), and he said that there was NO WAY that Bush Sr could have killed Saddam Hussein 12 years ago. The UN resolution SPECIFICALLY stated that the role of the coalition was to kick Iraq out of Kuwait. If Bush Sr had gone into Iraq to kill Hussein, it would have been a situation where we initially wanted to do good by rectifying a war crime (Iraq invading Kuwait) but then came out of it committing a war crime (regime toppling against UN approval).

3) The Military Boys and Girls-- It's a young bunch that are out there. And when Nixon made it voluntary, he wanted the military to be something where people wanted to be in. But from the NY Times article (this past Saturday) that I read, many of the Armed Forces people did not expect to ever fight when they joined. Most people are in it for the educational opportunities (college scholarship) when they come out. But there were some people who joined because of 9/11 who felt a sense of duty.

4) Dixie Chicks, PhD Diplomacy and Security-- Who the H*ELL cares what the Dixie Chicks think about the f*ucking war? Since when the Dixie Chicks, OR ANY Hollywood star for that matter, become an authority on what goes on in this world. On top of that, just because they can sell a record doesn't mean they represent their constituents. They're not Congresswomen. Shoot, let them say whatever the h*ell they want. Opinions are like a*ssholes. Everyone's got one.

That said, it's probably a good idea for the Dixie Chicks to keep their mouths shut for a while. It doesn't look like it'll be a short war, and their record sales have been falling. Susan Sarandon was REJECTED from talking at the United Way banquet. So it's ok to have an opinion, and it's ok to say it... just make sure your savings account is full or your name is Madonna.

Terence
(from Texas, voted for Bush)

You know Paul was only joking, right?
though I wasn't joking about Alabama, Mississippi and S. Carolina!
D

hey man, look, you can be as hostile towards me all you like but you're crossing the line when you start in on other people on the board. There's no need for negativity like that here so please back off.
Mike2, Jhunes got it. Does anyone actually need to asked of their opinion. No one really asked me either. You're right, I just start babbling.
D

The south is pretty stuck in the past in many ways though it's trying to clean up its act. There are obviously parts that are worse than others. You couldn't pay me to live in Alabama, Mississippi or South Carolina. Georgia is split between is old ways and the progressive new ways of Atlanta. Atlanta IS the cultural and financial center off the south and it's far ahead of the rest of that region. Regardless, I left Georgia because I need to live in the present, not in the past.
D

...what we had to do. It's not like it's a draft military. A mojority of the military troops don't look at the political ajenda, more of just acomplishing a mission. I know it's volunteer, but most don't think of the possiblity of actually going to war when they're joining. That's my outtake on troops and war.

Personally, I think something needed to be done to ease the minds of some governments that are directly threatened by the regime, either physically or politically. You can do this two ways, ask them to step down peacefully or war. We as a coalition chose, WAR.

Right now I support, 150%, the troops and the plan to end this quickly and get them back home. My prayers are with them every night and a couple during the day. What our countries (coalition) are asking them to do is nothing short of heroic.

...and that's MY opion, in somebody's eyes it may not be right, but Texas is an embarassment (sh!t eating grin across my face)!

paul

agreed. It's was great when the Smashing Pumpkins redid it but D. Chicks, leave it alone please. That ear-ripping twang destroying the song.
What's up with the twang that country singers use anyhow? I'm from the south and never came across anyone who remotely spoke like that? It must be stopped.
Paul's response will come in a bit. he's out running.
D

...everyone needs to have their opinion and voice it as often as they see fit. I found it ridiculous that some Americans couldn't understand the American institution of free speech.

We have fought (in war) our entire short history for these institutions and nothing else. When someone wants to apply this to what they believe and say, who are we to judge. Did she physically hurt someone, did she wield the gas chamber lever or stoke the fires in Auschwitz.

Last time I looked her name wasn't HITLER.

Here's one you can stuff up your stove pipe...

I'm not embarassed that Bush is from Texas, I'm just embarassed of TEXAS.

paul

to add more about his speaking.
The man can't speak spontaneously at all. He says stupid things like "the axis of evil". Good grief.
Next off, the man MUST have a written speech to get by and even then, still stumbles through it. I go insane everytime he's shown on television giving one. He pauses every 4th or 5th word to look at his script, which causes what he has to say to drag on and on. These pauses interupt the natural dialogue and the intonation is flat and unatural. Listening to his speeches takes twice as long as it should. However, thank God they don't let the man speak on his own terms anymore because it prevents him from saying embarrassing things that piss people off. I think someone on his team realized this early on and put a stop to that. It was probably right after the "axis of evil" comment.
D

again, what's shallow about criticising the president for his bad public speaking skills? To compare the issue of makeup vs his speaking skills is rediculous. I'm sorry man, but being good a public speaker and saying the right things as the president is crucial. The man could say one wrong thing and send us to war. You don't see that as being dangerous and important?
D

in response to Brian and many in this country at this time...

yes, I said Bush is a Moron..."when it comes to his public speaking". Give me a break. "it's amazing that he does any public speaking at all in this stressfull time? What are you talking about?! That's his job!!!!
Being a good speaker is very important as a president since it's so easy to say the wrong thing and really screw things up.
to add to this, what has gone wrong with America? I've been so annoyed by this whole backlash against the Dixie Chicks. I can't stand country music and i'm not their fan but it's their #### right to voice their opinion of the president all they want. When did it become law that we must support the president in times of war? I'm really sick of people saying that "we must stand behind the president". Screw that crap. The reason we're fighting this #### war is so that "we can liberate the Iraqi people from tyranny". That includes giving them freedom of speech and let's not forget it at home. Oh the hypocrisy. So, let me say this loud and clear. I'll critisize the president all I want and there's nothing shallow about that.
D

basically, your representative of your school (an organization and campus activity board/government) must invite me and work with my agent to set up the logistics. my agent is listed on the tour page within this site.
thanks,
Danny

by the way, thanks for the kind words

hey guys...i'm doing well at this posting thing, eh? Thanks so much to Uncle Jim for the kind words:
Bush IS a moron, so much so that he's not worth talking about. The man is a puppet and greatly lacking in wisdom. book smarts....maybe and that's a stretch, some charisma, yes, but wisdom, certainly not.
Wont be in the Portland area anytime soon as far as I know. (this speaking season is winding down until the fall)
Peace and love to the troops...
I'm off to a Pink Floyd laser show for night.
Fun to all of you as well.
D
 

never been invited to a single Canadian school, though that would be nice if it were to happen. at this point, only US schools. And to repeat from yesterday, I will not be appearing in NJ next month due to a change of plans. I'll be there in the fall instead. Sorry about the mixup.
My last school this spring that is slated will be Doane College, NE on April 18. Thanks.
D

Hey guys...just read through posts after yesterday's talk and thought i'd follow up. To put my stance as simply as possible:
I really don't like Bush. He's a moron when it comes to public speaking and he doesn't know much about world relations. forget environmental concerns.
I'm usually against war. Yes, it's awful and people die.
unfortunately though, somestimes it's necessary. I was actually against this war in the beginning as well as some of you have also stated. However, now that we're there, i've decided to support the whole #### thing. I'm sick of being a pacifist. The whole #### thing is still going on 12 years later because of too much pacifism in the past. And no, i'm not one of those crazy right-wing conservatives that stands outside waving signs saying to the troops, "crush those rag-heads", etc. No, I don't want to see innocent people killed and I hate that it has come down to this. forget all of the debates and different reasons Bush claims to want to change the regime. This has gone on long enough and we're there, so I'm supporting because I think it's the best thing I can do at this point.
D

enjoyed the convo this morning. I've got to get this day rolling. Have an excellent one guys. until next time.
D

yeah, I'm sure Germany has an excellent relationship with the Middle East considering history. Very different stories here.
D

regardless of exactly how much oil comes from the middle east, it's still the greatest supply we import from the world. And believe me, as soon as this war is over, we'll be imorting from Iraq as well. The greatest Middle Eastern supplier of oil is our "friend" Saudia Arabia, which also has a repressive government and which has also been shown to be a monetary supporter of terrorists cells both directly and indirectly.
D

That's what i'm saying, we had better do what is right and give the Iraqi people their own gov't and not a puppet gov't as we've done in the past. I think the world and UN will require this. The UK has already made this point clear.
D

we'll learn, believe that. at some point in history, we'll make such a bad mistake that we'll learn. Every civilization in history has or they fall and we're no different. Yes, Germany learned and changed, but only after a disastrous mistake. We haven't gotten to that point, yet. In the end, we're all human and we all make human mistakes. People learn by making mistakes unfortunately and usually not from learning by others mistakes. I wish that weren't true.
I'm not so sure that the war in Iraq will turn out to be all bad. I'm praying and hoping for the best. I hope that we put a good government in place and that takes care of the people and that democracy takes root. I also hope that we stop fooling around in that region, break our dependancy on oil and mind our own business. Again, America's biggest problem is our need for oil from that region. We're so hooked on it that most Americans don't even realize it. We take for granted that the oil is there for our use without any consequences. Our government does nothing to stop this either, at least not yet, and that's about to change. We're about to wake up to that single fact. Soon, we're going to realize that we're still paying the exact same price (adjusted with inflation) for gas that we were paying 40 years ago. There's no reflection there of the real costs, both human and environmental. It's very destructive and we don't want to hear that as a culture. We must.
D

Sexuality. That's why people fall across this spectrum of sexuality from being extremely straight to extremely gay. There are so many different factors that come into play. One day, sexuality will not be seen as "us and them", "gay vs straight" but merely a spectrum where people fall. We're all, gay and straight and in between, so caught up in trying to identify ourselves as one or the other. That's just not the case. Just as there isn't one gene or one environmental factor that makes us what we are.
D

I don't think anyone, including researchers really know. However, I believe that genetics predispose people to certain personality traits and then then environment makes the final decision. Its 50/50 and when you combine the right factors on both side, boom, you get gay and since the two are so wound together, it's not reversible. I don't believe there is some "cut-and-dried" gay gene out there that can be discovered. Sexuality, like many of our personality traits, is probably a very complex set of genetic and environmental factors.

Peter, you didn't miss anything is San Antonio last summer. that event was awful and I really had nothing to say at the event.
D

you're very correct. Many Americans, if not most Americans, follow the government to some degree blindly. Most Americans are so concerned with their own personal lives that they don't concern themselves with the problems of the world. It's human nature I guess. When you're on top, you don't worry about your surroundings as much. Americans are extremely patriotic and that has alot to do with the support of this war. Remember though that at another time in history, Germans were extremely patriotic as well and look what happened. The problem with America is that we're the "rebellious teenagers" of the world". We left home early and want to do our own thing. Unfortunately, we have yet to learn many lessons in life-wisdom as many in Europe already have. I wish more Americans understood that the reason some people don't want to be involved in this war is because they've already made their own mistakes in the past and don't want to repeat. Most Americans don't understand the situation this way. They see it as being stabbed in the back, especially towards the French since we helped liberate them so long ago. However, I think it's completely acceptable for countries to not want to be involved. The war was never justified for them, therefore, they have every right to say no.
D

I too have always been against this war. However, at this point, instead of merely protesting against it, it makes more sense to speak up and make it clear to those in power that they had better do what is right from this point out. Our government has a record of screwing up these situations in the past and most of America has no clue about what our government has done and bungled. I think at the heart of the situation, we're trying to do what is right, this just isn't necessarily the right time in history to be doing it. What's done is done though. Bush had better leave Iraq 1000 times better than he found it and if he does, then the war is justified. If not, then the world's worst fears will come true.
D

doing well except for getting over this nasty cold of mine. Can't wait for spring. we're still deep in the middle of winter here in Seattle.
D

to add more, Greg, you stated my point exactly earlier in your post. At this point though, protesting the war is null and void. These anti-war protests need to be redirected in pushing our government to do what is right for the people of Iraq after the fall of S.H. If we don't handle this situation perfectly, we will forever destroy what is left of our Public Relations with the middle East. This is scary, we're at such a huge cross-roads in history. We have the choice to rebuild Iraq and return their country to their people QIUCKLY or screw it up and have terrorists knocking our doors down forever.
D

good morning CTOC. I need to make a correction, especially since so many people have asked about this date. The NJ appearance listed on my tour schedule is wrong. That wont actually happen until this fall. Sorry about the mixup.

I was reading posts and some of them concerned being anti-war and pro-troops. Some of you say you don't understand that but it's simple. These troops didn't decide they want to go fight a war. They're only doing they're job and what they're told to do. This war is Bush's war, not the troops. That's how one can be anit-war and pro-troops.
D

my house sometimes.
D

Comment: I'm so glad I caught you on the board Danny.. Are you still painting at all?
Posted by Frankie on 3/8/2003 at 13:02:56
IP: 152.163.189.65
 

always have a blast in New York but always need to get home and see trees and clear my head. We'll definitely evetually return to the east because that's what we are at heart. Seattle is beautiful but it's ultimately not home.
D

Comment: How did you like New York? Think you will ever move back east?
Posted by Frankie on 3/8/2003 at 12:55:46
IP: 152.163.189.65
 

Max, i'd love to be in Europe right now...how about sending me a ticket buddy.
D

Comment: U have to come over to Europe one time lol
Posted by Max(Germany) on 3/8/2003 at 12:46:51
IP: 217.232.189.100
 

just want you to know that you were never banned from this website. I hate that you'd think I'd be so immature as to ban you for disagreeing. that's welcome here. People are only banned from this site for being hateful. However, "pro-boards" sucks and has gliches and from time to time it automatically bans people for no reason. There's nothing I can do about it unfortunately. Just keep trying to log on and eventually you should get past the ban. It's even happened to me before.
thanks,
Danny

Comment: Hey, Danny. *looks all downcast) Still mad at me?
Posted by Robby on 3/6/2003 at 17:52:31
IP: 152.163.189.65
 

Hey Danny. I cant hardly get through here, but I did leave a messege earlier. It came out too accusitory, so if you get this one, great.

I found out I got banned here, and I guess I cant blame you after I yelled at you like that. Im sorry I lost it, and I hope you can let me back here. I miss you and I miss coming hee, and if not for me, then for the others here at my GLBT youth support group who like to visit your site. Its the only computer we have and thete are others here who like to visit so, if not for me then fo them.

Incedently, I do believe that some people can get wiser with age just as some start out wise in youth, but lose it with time because their own particular experiences as individuals warp them. The problem I have with statements like "no young person has much real world experience" is not only an age bias against younger folks but its more personal to me in particular because the people here ae all under twenty one and lived through hell and high water. We have a guy who was gang raped in the butt when he was fourteen, a guy who was molested by a priest and got sued for slander when he tried to go public about it, a guy whose parents molested him, another whose parents beat on him, and I personally was wrongly jailed for breaking sodomy laws, which arent technically on the books in my state anymore, so my family and I sued the cop.. Im getting away from my point here. So I just get pissed of when older people say things like "you kids don't know how easy you have it" or "you kids dont know what the 'real world' is like" (oh like gainful employment and paying taxes are such nightmares in comparison).

It actually has very little to do with you, so I especially wish I hadn't lost it at you. I hope I'm forgiven. Its not entirely my fault s I said above, but I'm more to blame in this instance than you. Pleas let me know.